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PostPosted: Mon 05 Mar 2018 12:53 pm 
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I am wondering about the form of the vocative of Ailean Dunn in the Ailein Duinn song. Why isn’t it Ailein Dhuinn with adjective lenited? Is it because of dentals-dots rule (does it work with attributive adjectives in Scottish Gaelic)?

In Irish I would expect a Ailein Dhoinn, and I believed the rules for lenition of adjectives in vocative are basically the same in Scottish.


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PostPosted: Mon 05 Mar 2018 5:52 pm 
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The dentals rules is much more alive (for noun+adjectives) in Scottish Gaelic, and here it's the reason of the non-lenition of "duinn".
Irish would have "a Ailéin Dhoinn".

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Mar 2018 10:38 pm 
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Thanks!

Does that mean that dentals rule always work in this context, or does it depend eg. on dialect? Would ‘oh, black cat!’ be then a chait duibh in contrast to Irish a chait dhuibh?

(And the singular vocative of cat should be a chait, right? Cause Wiktionary claims it’s a chat – shouldn’t that be corrected?)


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PostPosted: Tue 06 Mar 2018 2:04 pm 
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It means that you'd say "a chait duibh" in Scottish Gaelic and "a chait dhuibh" in Irish.
I don't think the dentals' rule still applies in contemporary Irish when you have a noun+ an adjective. Maybe it existed long ago...
It still exists in Irish though when a noun is followed by another noun.

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PostPosted: Fri 30 Mar 2018 4:52 am 
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This is a new knowledge for me after reading through it. It is very useful. And can be used.


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