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PostPosted: Tue 28 Jul 2015 5:26 pm 
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Can anyone help me with the pronunciation of Fasnacloich?

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PostPosted: Tue 28 Jul 2015 11:02 pm 
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Peter Berry wrote:
Can anyone help me with the pronunciation of Fasnacloich?

Thanks.

I've never seen that before, but I assume it's a place name, something like "level place of the stones" (fas nan cloiche).

As you've written it, the pronunciation would be more or less: fass nuh kliç
The ç represents a sound not really used in English, which is a softened version of the usual hard "ch" sound found in Gaelic words like loch.
If you have access to anyone who speaks German and can pronounce words for you, it's basically the same as the "ch"" sound in the German word ich, as contrasted with the hard "ch" in Bach or Buch.

What might help is for you to say loch, and notice how it is "voiced", with your vocal cords vibrating. The softened version is made without the vocal cords vibrating at all (it's "devoiced").

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 Post subject: Re: Fasnacloich
PostPosted: Tue 28 Jul 2015 11:55 pm 
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CaoimhínSF wrote:
Peter Berry wrote:
Can anyone help me with the pronunciation of Fasnacloich?

Thanks.

I've never seen that before, but I assume it's a place name, something like "level place of the stones" (fas nan cloiche).

As you've written it, the pronunciation would be more or less: fass nuh kliç
The ç represents a sound not really used in English, which is a softened version of the usual hard "ch" sound found in Gaelic words like loch.
If you have access to anyone who speaks German and can pronounce words for you, it's basically the same as the "ch"" sound in the German word ich, as contrasted with the hard "ch" in Bach or Buch.

What might help is for you to say loch, and notice how it is "voiced", with your vocal cords vibrating. The softened version is made without the vocal cords vibrating at all (it's "devoiced").

Thank you so much. I'm able to work with that.


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 Post subject: Re: Fasnacloich
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CaoimhínSF wrote:
What might help is for you to say loch, and notice how it is "voiced", with your vocal cords vibrating. The softened version is made without the vocal cords vibrating at all (it's "devoiced").

The CH in loch is not voiced -- that would be a GH. the difference between broad and slender CH is that the broad form is velar (pronounced against the soft palette) while the slender is palatal (hard palette).

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 Post subject: Re: Fasnacloich
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NiallBeag wrote:
CaoimhínSF wrote:
What might help is for you to say loch, and notice how it is "voiced", with your vocal cords vibrating. The softened version is made without the vocal cords vibrating at all (it's "devoiced").

The CH in loch is not voiced -- that would be a GH. the difference between broad and slender CH is that the broad form is velar (pronounced against the soft palette) while the slender is palatal (hard palette).


You're right, Niall. I just did my own sound test to see.
Anyway, Peter, the explanation by comparison with the the German words still holds (no vocal cords there either).

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 Post subject: Re: Fasnacloich
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Slender ch is like how a lot of people produce the 'h' in words like 'human', 'hue' and 'huge'

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 Post subject: Re: Fasnacloich
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Jay Bee wrote:
Slender ch is like how a lot of people produce the 'h' in words like 'human', 'hue' and 'huge'

:-\ That's really dependent on the speaker's accent in English though.

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