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PostPosted: Mon 14 Dec 2020 3:14 am 
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Labhrás wrote:
galaxyrocker wrote:
Vitaee wrote:
Bit of a necro post at this point but, going back to my original question,
Would ""If you would like a cup of tea, please come inside" be properly translated as

Má bá mhaith leat tae, tar isteach le do thoil.

And I assume that "cupán" is left out because it's assumed you meant a cup or some similar container.



You would have to use , not in this case.


Hmm, níl mé cinnte. Ní léir sin, dar liom.
You can use má, too, with "ba mhaith"
e.g.: Ach má ba mhaith leat an sméar mhullaigh agat chuaigh tú go Meiriceá . (Ó Grianna)

Usually you use dá and conditional only in irreal conditions.
But it is not irreal here, at all. An imperative follows (rather impossiple in irreal conditions)
Conditional mood in ba mhaith is due to the modal meaning (= want) not because of irreality.

I'd translate dá mba mhaith as irreal "If you would like/want (but actually you don't like/want)" which is not meant here.

In case of iarraidh it is:
Má tá tú ag iarraidh tae, tar isteach (not: Dá mbeadh tú ag iarraidh ...)

But on the other side: I don't know.


Took me a bit to figure out what you meant hear by "irreal".
Let me see if I get it.
In order to use , the sentence needs to be of the form "If A would happen, then B would happen", for example, "If I had tea, I would give you some."
But in this case, the sentence is of the form "If A is true, then do B", so shouldn't be used. Am I on the right track with that?

But in any case, the correct way of saying my original sentence would be
Má ba mhaith leat tae, tar isteach le do thoil

or

Má tá tú ag iarraidh tae, tar isteach le do thoil

Are both of the above acceptable, and which would be most likely used?


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PostPosted: Tue 15 Dec 2020 8:50 pm 
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Vitaee wrote:
Labhrás wrote:
galaxyrocker wrote:
Vitaee wrote:
Bit of a necro post at this point but, going back to my original question,
Would ""If you would like a cup of tea, please come inside" be properly translated as

Má bá mhaith leat tae, tar isteach le do thoil.

And I assume that "cupán" is left out because it's assumed you meant a cup or some similar container.



You would have to use , not in this case.


Hmm, níl mé cinnte. Ní léir sin, dar liom.
You can use má, too, with "ba mhaith"
e.g.: Ach má ba mhaith leat an sméar mhullaigh agat chuaigh tú go Meiriceá . (Ó Grianna)

Usually you use dá and conditional only in irreal conditions.
But it is not irreal here, at all. An imperative follows (rather impossiple in irreal conditions)
Conditional mood in ba mhaith is due to the modal meaning (= want) not because of irreality.

I'd translate dá mba mhaith as irreal "If you would like/want (but actually you don't like/want)" which is not meant here.

In case of iarraidh it is:
Má tá tú ag iarraidh tae, tar isteach (not: Dá mbeadh tú ag iarraidh ...)

But on the other side: I don't know.


Took me a bit to figure out what you meant hear by "irreal".
Let me see if I get it.
In order to use , the sentence needs to be of the form "If A would happen, then B would happen", for example, "If I had tea, I would give you some."
But in this case, the sentence is of the form "If A is true, then do B", so shouldn't be used. Am I on the right track with that?


Yes.
Irish makes a difference between real and irreal conditions by using different "if"s: má and dá.

Vitaee wrote:
But in any case, the correct way of saying my original sentence would be
Má ba mhaith leat tae, tar isteach le do thoil

or

Má tá tú ag iarraidh tae, tar isteach le do thoil

Are both of the above acceptable, and which would be most likely used?


Both are okay. (I'd put a comma before le do thoil)
Their usage depends on dialect.
(As Bríd said: She'd use iarraidh)

Other forms:
Má tá tae uait ...
Má theastaíonn tae uait ...
Má tá uait tae a ól ...
Má tá fonn ort tae a ól ...


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PostPosted: Tue 15 Dec 2020 9:28 pm 
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Thanks all for your replies.
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