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 Post subject: Months and days
PostPosted: Sat 16 Nov 2019 10:05 am 
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I'm trying to translate this, but as the whole idea of dividing the year up into twelve months must have seemed quite contrary to the traditional Irish concept of the year, perhaps there exist other rhymes or poems that describe the way seasons and months are presented.

Thirty days has September,

Tá tríocha lá Méan Fómhair,

April, June and November.

Aibreán, Meitheamh is mí na Samhna orthu.

All the rest have thirty one,

Tá gach eile lá is tríocha orthu,

Except February alone,

Ach Feabhra aonair, (or amháin ?)

Which has twenty eight days clear,

atá fiche a hocht lá iomlán,

And twenty nine days in each leap-year.

Agus fiche a naoi lá gach uile bhliain bhisigh air.

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 Post subject: Re: Months and days
PostPosted: Sat 16 Nov 2019 11:33 pm 
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Thirty days has September,

Tá tríocha lá ag Meán Fómhair,

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All the rest have thirty one,

Tá gach eile lá is tríocha orthu,


Déarfainn: tá (aon) lá is tríocha ag an fhuílleach
(nó: tá aon lá déag is fiche...)

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Except February alone,

Ach Feabhra aonair, (or amháin ?)


ach amháin Feabhra

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Which has twenty eight days clear,

atá fiche a hocht lá iomlán,


a bhfuil ocht lá is fiche aige

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And twenty nine days in each leap-year.

Agus fiche a naoi lá gach uile bhliain bhisigh air.


agus naoi lá is fiche aige gach uile bhliain bhisigh

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 Post subject: Re: Months and days
PostPosted: Sun 17 Nov 2019 2:24 pm 
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franc 91 wrote:
I'm trying to translate this, but as the whole idea of dividing the year up into twelve months must have seemed quite contrary to the traditional Irish concept of the year, perhaps there exist other rhymes or poems that describe the way seasons and months are presented.

Irish calendar concepts had gone during christianization. ;)
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Thirty days has September,

Tá tríocha lá Méan Fómhair,

April, June and November.

Aibreán, Meitheamh is mí na Samhna orthu.

As Lughaidh pointed out, it is:

Tá 30 lá ag Meán Fómhair.

Doing so, you have to put ag before every single month: ag Meán Fómhair, ag Aibreán, ag Meitheamh ...
This makes the sentence quite long.

So, it's a good idea to use a pronoun like orthu or rather acu instead.
But in this case all month names must be put outside of the sentence:

Meán Fómhair, Aibreán, Meitheamh. ..., tá 30 lá acu. (Sept., April, June, ..., they have 30 days)

Or you use a phrase like this:

Tá 30 lá ag na míonna seo: Meán Fómhair, Aibreán, Meitheamh ... (These months have 30 days: ...)


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 Post subject: Re: Months and days
PostPosted: Fri 22 Nov 2019 10:14 am 
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Go raibh maith agaibh


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 Post subject: Re: Months and days
PostPosted: Wed 04 Dec 2019 11:58 pm 
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Labhrás wrote:
Meán Fómhair, Aibreán, Meitheamh. ..., tá 30 lá acu. (Sept., April, June, ..., they have 30 days)

I think it should be acusan since you are contrasting them with the previous set.

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 Post subject: Re: Months and days
PostPosted: Sat 14 Dec 2019 11:03 am 
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In 'Teach Yourself Irish' by Myles Dillon and Donncha Ó Cróinín, they have a different way of saying this - ie:

Tá deich lá fichead/is fiche san Aibreán agus aon lá déag ar fhichid i mí na Bealtaine. and -

Níl ach deich lá fichead/ar fhichid san Aibreán, sa Mheitheamh agus i mí Mheán an Fhómhair.

so does this work ?

Níl ach deich lá ar fhichid i mí Mheán an Fhómhair,
San Aibreán, sa Mheitheamh agus i mí na Samhna.
Tá aon lá déag ar fhichid san fhuilleach/chuid eile
Ach amháin mí na Feabhra
A bhfuil ocht lá is fiche inti
Agus naoi lá is fiche gach uile bhliain bhisigh inti.


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 Post subject: Re: Months and days
PostPosted: Sat 14 Dec 2019 4:56 pm 
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I have just been sent this version by Peadar Ua Laoghaire by David Webb, for which I'm very grateful -

Tríochaid lá 'bheirid leó
Samhain, Abrán, na Mithimh teó.
Lá sa mbreis ag gach mí eile
Ach an Feabhra thiar ar deireadh,
Gan aige ach ocht lá fhichead -
Naoi lá fhichead, i mbliain bhisigh.


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 Post subject: Re: Months and days
PostPosted: Sat 14 Dec 2019 6:17 pm 
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franc 91 wrote:
Níl ach deich lá ar fhichid


Not totally mícheart, but ar fhichid usually with ... déag
as in:

franc 91 wrote:
Tá aon lá déag ar fhichid


With 2-10 genitive of fiche, fichead is used: deich lá fichead.


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 Post subject: Re: Months and days
PostPosted: Sat 14 Dec 2019 8:01 pm 
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Ceart go leor - but the way this is presented in the book, you'd think either would be permissible. Go raibh maith agat.


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