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 Post subject: Re: Memorial Ideas
PostPosted: Thu 20 Jun 2019 12:04 pm 
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"Mar ní bhfuaireas í," arsa Seán. (P. Ua Laoghaire, Mo Scéal Féin)


"Mar ní bhfuARas í" ins an bhuntéacs.

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 Post subject: Re: Memorial Ideas
PostPosted: Fri 21 Jun 2019 8:14 am 
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Labhrás wrote:

Na daoine do bhí inár dtimpeall, ní bheidh a leithéidí arís ann.


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 Post subject: Re: Memorial Ideas
PostPosted: Sat 22 Jun 2019 3:00 pm 
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silmeth wrote:



By the way, would mar ní bheidh a leithéidí arís ann also be possible in this meaning? I see that FGB gives both mar, mar go for ‘because’ (the explanation (e) of the 2. definition), so both mar atáim… and mar go bhfuillim… are possible for ‘because I am…’, but it only gives mar nach raibh an t-ádh linn ‘because we were not in luck’ as a negative example – I’m curious if leaving nach/ in the negative is also possible.

EDIT: and also what about the copula? FGB gives only mar gurb é is údar leis, what about mar ba… and mar is (eg. could ‘because I can’ be expressed by both mar gur féidir liom and mar is féidir liom)?


Yes, mar can be used on on its own without go/gur to express cause. = 'for', 'as' (causal). Same as óir.


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 Post subject: Re: Memorial Ideas
PostPosted: Wed 26 Jun 2019 4:49 pm 
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Labhrás wrote:

In a main sentence both are interchangeable. I’d think mar ní bheidh is more common.

But see my last post.
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But except inside a "go phrase", so prob. not in Ó Criomhthain’s sentence in Ada’s post.
Here we have ... chuin go mbeadh ... mar ná ....


do thugas iarracht ar ... chuin go mbeadh a dtuairisc ’ár ndiadh, mar ná beidh ár leithéidí arís ann

Here, mar ná is a subordinate clause of the chuin go clause.
Why should their tuairisc be ’ár ndiaidh? Because their leithéidí won't be arís ann.

If he would write mar ní bheidh here, this subordination would be blurred and the clause would be subordinate only to the matrix sentence itself: do thugas iarracht ...
Why did he give iarracht? Because their leithéidí won't be arís ann.


I see. May take some more time to wrap my head around all these clauses. Thanks very much.

tiomluasocein wrote:
Labhrás wrote:

Na daoine do bhí inár dtimpeall, ní bheidh a leithéidí arís ann.


:good:


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