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PostPosted: Mon 10 Jun 2019 1:45 pm 
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I started learning Irish a year ago but struggle with the pronunciation with my surname. I was wondering if anyone had any idea on how to pronounce Céatfhadha ? Especially in a Connemara Irish ?

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PostPosted: Mon 10 Jun 2019 3:36 pm 
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ceatach wrote:
I started learning Irish a year ago but struggle with the pronunciation with my surname. I was wondering if anyone had any idea on how to pronounce Céatfhadha ? Especially in a Connemara Irish ?

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Ó Céatfhadha
Probably [k´e:tə] as if written Céata


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PostPosted: Wed 12 Jun 2019 10:36 pm 
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Labhrás wrote:
ceatach wrote:
I started learning Irish a year ago but struggle with the pronunciation with my surname. I was wondering if anyone had any idea on how to pronounce Céatfhadha ? Especially in a Connemara Irish ?

GRMMA


Ó Céatfhadha
Probably [k´e:tə] as if written Céata

My first guess was /k´e:tə/ too.

But further research suggests the ending may be pronounced -aí /i:/, as if the whole thing were spelled Ó Céataí /o: k´e:ti:/.

Is the English version "Keaty"? Irish Identity gives Ó Céataí for Keaty. Sloinne gives both Ó Céataí and Ó Céatfhadha for Keaty. If so, I'd say it's pronounced /o: k´e:ti:/.

Past participle endings such as -tha are also pronounced /i:/ in Conamara.

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PostPosted: Thu 13 Jun 2019 8:12 am 
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Breandán wrote:
Labhrás wrote:
ceatach wrote:
I started learning Irish a year ago but struggle with the pronunciation with my surname. I was wondering if anyone had any idea on how to pronounce Céatfhadha ? Especially in a Connemara Irish ?

GRMMA


Ó Céatfhadha
Probably [k´e:tə] as if written Céata

My first guess was /k´e:tə/ too.

But further research suggests the ending may be pronounced -aí /i:/, as if the whole thing were spelled Ó Céataí /o: k´e:ti:/.

Is the English version "Keaty"? Irish Identity gives Ó Céataí for Keaty. Sloinne gives both Ó Céataí and Ó Céatfhadha for Keaty. If so, I'd say it's pronounced /o: k´e:ti:/.

Past participle endings such as -tha are also pronounced /i:/ in Conamara.


Yes, I'd agree.
The nominative of the name following Ó is Céatfhaidh, pron. already /k´e:ti:/, so genitive -fhadha is just a spelling change without changing the pronunciation.


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PostPosted: Thu 13 Jun 2019 11:25 am 
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Labhrás wrote:
The nominative of the name following Ó is Céatfhaidh, pron. already /k´e:ti:/, so genitive -fhadha is just a spelling change without changing the pronunciation.

GRMA :GRMA: An-spéisiúil, agus d'fhoghlaim mé rud as. :good:

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Is fearr Gaeilge ḃriste ná Béarla cliste, cinnte, aċ i ḃfad níos fearr aríst í Gaeilge ḃinn ḃeo na nGaeltaċtaí.
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Breandán wrote:
Labhrás wrote:
The nominative of the name following Ó is Céatfhaidh, pron. already /k´e:ti:/, so genitive -fhadha is just a spelling change without changing the pronunciation.

GRMA :GRMA: An-spéisiúil, agus d'fhoghlaim mé rud as. :good:



I was using it for the translation of Keating, do you reckon it'd still be the same anyway ?

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PostPosted: Wed 19 Jun 2019 12:15 pm 
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I was using it for the translation of Keating, do you reckon it'd still be the same anyway ?

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Yes, the pronunciation of Ó Céatfhadha remains the same.

Sloinne gives Ó Céatfhadha, De Céitinn, and Céitinn for "Keating"

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Is fearr Gaeilge ḃriste ná Béarla cliste, cinnte, aċ i ḃfad níos fearr aríst í Gaeilge ḃinn ḃeo na nGaeltaċtaí.
Gaeilge Chonnacht (GC), go háraid Gaeilge Chois Fhairrge (GCF), agus Gaeilge an Chaighdeáin Oifigiúil (CO).


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