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PostPosted: Sat 15 Jun 2019 12:03 am 
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Yes it does.
I am eating = je suis en train de manger = tá mé ag ithe.

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PostPosted: Sat 15 Jun 2019 3:49 am 
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Lughaidh wrote:
Yes it does.
I am eating = je suis en train de manger = tá mé ag ithe.

"en train de" sounds like more of a phrase than a tense. :darklaugh:

:rolleyes: Okay, so let me rephrase my answer: French doesn't have a progressive construction that is as close as the parallel constructions existing in Celtic languages and English. (Is the Icelandic one also parallel to the Celtic-English one?)

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PostPosted: Sat 15 Jun 2019 4:17 pm 
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"en train de" sounds like more of a phrase than a tense. :darklaugh:
French doesn't have a progressive construction that is as close as the parallel constructions existing in Celtic languages and English.


because the preposition has 3 words in French vs 1 in Irish?
But you could say "tá mé ag ithe" isn't a tense either when compared to English, (which doesn't use a preposition), or even that even in English it's not a tense when compared to Basque ((ba)noa = I'm going, in 1 word :) ).
What's the border between "tense" and "tense expressed by a phrase"? After all, "tá mé ag ithe" is a phrase too...

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PostPosted: Sun 16 Jun 2019 12:15 am 
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Lughaidh wrote:
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"en train de" sounds like more of a phrase than a tense. :darklaugh:
French doesn't have a progressive construction that is as close as the parallel constructions existing in Celtic languages and English.


because the preposition has 3 words in French vs 1 in Irish?
But you could say "tá mé ag ithe" isn't a tense either when compared to English, (which doesn't use a preposition), or even that even in English it's not a tense when compared to Basque ((ba)noa = I'm going, in 1 word :) ).
What's the border between "tense" and "tense expressed by a phrase"? After all, "tá mé ag ithe" is a phrase too...

We are looking at the degree of parallelness of the constructions. The use of a "be" verb and a verbal noun is very close and it is sometimes assumed that the Celtic languages adopted the construction from English, but since continental Germanic languages don't have the construction, it is possible the influence was the other way around.

There are other constructions in Irish that likely entered Irish from French under the influence of the Normans and possibly earlier ones still from the Latin of the Bible.

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PostPosted: Sun 16 Jun 2019 12:20 am 
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The use of a "be" verb and a verbal noun is very close and it is sometimes assumed that the Celtic languages adopted the construction from English,


An Bhriotáinis fosta? ;)

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Lughaidh wrote:
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The use of a "be" verb and a verbal noun is very close and it is sometimes assumed that the Celtic languages adopted the construction from English,


An Bhriotáinis fosta? ;)

Céard é an dul cainte comhionann sa Bhriotáinis?

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PostPosted: Sun 16 Jun 2019 9:31 am 
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Tá mé ag ithe = (é) h-oun (é) tébein (in mo chanúint).

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