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PostPosted: Fri 23 Aug 2019 12:59 pm 
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Sadhbh Ní Bhruinneallaigh is a sean-nos song. One of the lines in the lyrics I have found online is perplexing me. Im sure the translation is incorrect. Can anyone help.
Ach baille Inis Gé is cead ealo ar choinníní (in another version it has éalú).

Translation
but the village of Inis Gé and a permit to hunt rabbits.

Im sure this is incorrect but cant find any way of getting a meaning into it with a literal translation.

Thanks and my first post.

Sláinte !

PS I'll post the full lyrics and translation if it helps.


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PostPosted: Fri 23 Aug 2019 2:16 pm 
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Ssalzano wrote:
Sadhbh Ní Bhruinneallaigh is a sean-nos song. One of the lines in the lyrics I have found online is perplexing me. Im sure the translation is incorrect. Can anyone help.
Ach baille Inis Gé is cead ealo ar choinníní (in another version it has éalú).


There should be éalú or éaló because ealo doesn't exist.

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but the village of Inis Gé and a permit to hunt rabbits.

Im sure this is incorrect but cant find any way of getting a meaning into it with a literal translation.

Thanks and my first post.

Sláinte !

PS I'll post the full lyrics and translation if it helps.


Why do you think so?

(Ní iarrfainn bó spré le Sadhbh Ní Bhruinneallaigh) ach Baile Inis Gé is cead éalú ar choinníní.
(I would not ask for a dowry ...) except Baile Inis Gé and the permit to approach the rabbits

ní ... ach = not ... except, only
Baile Inis Gé = village of Inishkea
is = and
cead = permit
éalú ar = to steal up on, to approach stealthily (-> hunt)
coiníní = rabbits


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PostPosted: Sun 25 Aug 2019 1:29 am 
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Go raith maith agat Labhrás. Tá mé ag foghlaim ! My Collins Gem Irish Dictionary 2019 does not have that construction at all ! That's really useful to know that éalú ar means that - why not just use the word for 'hunt' fiach ?

If you dont mind could you explain why 'bo' is used here (as in cow) instead of 'de'.

Oh well the song is 200 years old and likely wasnt written down originally.

Thanks for your help again.

Cheers
Sláinte !


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PostPosted: Sun 25 Aug 2019 1:32 am 
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whoops forgot to include the first line of the first verse. The one in the previous post is the 2nd line.

Ní iarrfainn bó spré le Sadhbh Ní Bhruinnealla,
Ach Baile Inis Gé is cead éalú ar choinníní

Should it be de or go instead of bó ?

Cheers


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PostPosted: Sun 25 Aug 2019 7:47 am 
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Ssalzano wrote:
whoops forgot to include the first line of the first verse. The one in the previous post is the 2nd line.

Ní iarrfainn bó spré le Sadhbh Ní Bhruinnealla,
Ach Baile Inis Gé is cead éalú ar choinníní

Should it be de or go instead of bó ?

Cheers


It's bó spré, because that is a term for dowry. Dowry was once really a cow or more, eg.
"Ní ghlacfainn céad bó mar spré leat" ("I wouldn't accept 100 cows as dowry for you" in A Spailpín, A Rún)
Cattle and dowry is closely connected in Ireland, even spré once meant cattle, so a bó spré is one cow of the cattle - used as dowry and so used for any dowry.

(spré meaning dowry alone is a later shortening)


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PostPosted: Sun 25 Aug 2019 8:02 am 
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Ssalzano wrote:
Go raith maith agat Labhrás. Tá mé ag foghlaim ! My Collins Gem Irish Dictionary 2019 does not have that construction at all ! That's really useful to know that éalú ar means that - why not just use the word for 'hunt' fiach ?


I can only guess: Hunting was probably forbidden. ;)


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