It is currently Thu 23 Apr 2026 5:06 am

All times are UTC


Forum rules


Please click here to view the forum rules



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 15 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Fri 16 Dec 2011 9:17 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon 21 Nov 2011 4:11 pm
Posts: 9
I read on the [quote=http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/irish/blas/education/beginnersblas/dictionaries.shtml]BBC[/quote] that 'I built myself a house' might be expressed in Munster as:

(Do) dheineas tig dhom féinig

and in Ulster:

Rinn' mé teach domh fhéin.

What would it be in Connacht Irish?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri 16 Dec 2011 9:19 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon 21 Nov 2011 4:11 pm
Posts: 9
Okay, obviously, bhí BBC i gceist agam!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat 17 Dec 2011 12:46 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun 28 Aug 2011 6:15 pm
Posts: 3592
Location: An Astráil
niamh wrote:
What would it be in Connacht Irish?

Rinne mé teach dhom héin.


I think the fhéin in the Ulster version above is an attempt to represent the same pronunciaton /he:n´/, but fh is silent in Irish, so héin makes more sense.

_________________
[hr]Múinteoir Gaeilge - Irish Teacher[/hr]
My "specialty" is Connemara Irish, particularly Cois Fhairrge dialect, but I can also speak Ulster and Munster Irish with native-level pronunciation.
Is fearr Gaeilge ḃriste ná Béarla cliste, cinnte, aċ i ḃfad níos fearr aríst í Gaeilge ḃinn ḃeo na nGaeltaċtaí.
Gaeilge Chonnacht (GC), go háraid Gaeilge Chois Fhairrge (GCF), Gaeilic Uladh (GU), Gaelainn na Mumhan (GM), agus Gaeilge an Chaighdeáin Oifigiúil (CO).


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat 17 Dec 2011 2:30 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed 07 Sep 2011 5:05 pm
Posts: 422
Half the time, Ulsterites write fhéin, half the time féin; but it’s nearly always pronounced with an h sound. The f sound is only heard in cheana féin (though h can sometimes be heard here, too) and in names like Sinn Féin.

Don’t think I’ve seen héin used, though it makes more phonetic sense.

(Historically, it ought to be shéin, but as far as I know, that’s never been used, even in Old Irish)

_________________
Not a native speaker.

Always wait for at least three people to agree on a translation, especially if it’s for something permanent.

My translations are usually GU (Ulster Irish), unless CO (Standard Orthography) is requested.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue 20 Dec 2011 4:39 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon 21 Nov 2011 4:11 pm
Posts: 9
Go raibh maith agaibh!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue 20 Dec 2011 9:30 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon 29 Aug 2011 4:54 pm
Posts: 3444
Location: Cill Dara
I would have thought that 'rinne' would not be as good as some version of 'tóg' here. ie build versus made.

Perhaps, something like, 'thóg mé teach dom féin' or 'bhí teach tóghta (probably spelled wrong) agamsa dom féin'.

I often think that the verb 'déan' is over used.

_________________
Is foghlaimeoir mé. I am a learner. DEFINITELY wait for others to confirm and/or improve.
Beatha teanga í a labhairt.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue 20 Dec 2011 9:43 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun 28 Aug 2011 6:15 pm
Posts: 3592
Location: An Astráil
I had the same thought at first, a Shaoirse, but déan teach is the usual idiom.

_________________
[hr]Múinteoir Gaeilge - Irish Teacher[/hr]
My "specialty" is Connemara Irish, particularly Cois Fhairrge dialect, but I can also speak Ulster and Munster Irish with native-level pronunciation.
Is fearr Gaeilge ḃriste ná Béarla cliste, cinnte, aċ i ḃfad níos fearr aríst í Gaeilge ḃinn ḃeo na nGaeltaċtaí.
Gaeilge Chonnacht (GC), go háraid Gaeilge Chois Fhairrge (GCF), Gaeilic Uladh (GU), Gaelainn na Mumhan (GM), agus Gaeilge an Chaighdeáin Oifigiúil (CO).


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue 20 Dec 2011 9:46 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon 29 Aug 2011 4:54 pm
Posts: 3444
Location: Cill Dara
Breandán wrote:
I had the same thought at first, a Shaoirse, but déan teach is the usual idiom.


I'm surprised to hear that. I would be more familiar with 'teach a thógáil' agus 'síneadh a thógáil'. :nail:

_________________
Is foghlaimeoir mé. I am a learner. DEFINITELY wait for others to confirm and/or improve.
Beatha teanga í a labhairt.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue 20 Dec 2011 9:47 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon 29 Aug 2011 4:54 pm
Posts: 3444
Location: Cill Dara
Just noticed how frustrated that guy must feel. The nail never makes it the whole way in.... :nail:

_________________
Is foghlaimeoir mé. I am a learner. DEFINITELY wait for others to confirm and/or improve.
Beatha teanga í a labhairt.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue 20 Dec 2011 9:50 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun 28 Aug 2011 6:15 pm
Posts: 3592
Location: An Astráil
Saoirse wrote:
Just noticed how frustrated that guy must feel. The nail never makes it the whole way in.... :nail:

A truer reflection of real life ...

_________________
[hr]Múinteoir Gaeilge - Irish Teacher[/hr]
My "specialty" is Connemara Irish, particularly Cois Fhairrge dialect, but I can also speak Ulster and Munster Irish with native-level pronunciation.
Is fearr Gaeilge ḃriste ná Béarla cliste, cinnte, aċ i ḃfad níos fearr aríst í Gaeilge ḃinn ḃeo na nGaeltaċtaí.
Gaeilge Chonnacht (GC), go háraid Gaeilge Chois Fhairrge (GCF), Gaeilic Uladh (GU), Gaelainn na Mumhan (GM), agus Gaeilge an Chaighdeáin Oifigiúil (CO).


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 15 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

All times are UTC


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot], Google Adsense [Bot] and 413 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group