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 Post subject: Tattoo translation
PostPosted: Fri 09 Mar 2018 4:20 pm 
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Hi, I am looking for a translation for a tattoo. I want it to be correct and not just whatever Google decided was the right translation before putting it on my skin forever. All help is appreciated.

Looking for the following:
"Fear None, Respect Few"

"Brotherhood"


Thank you for your help.


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 Post subject: Re: Tattoo translation
PostPosted: Sat 10 Mar 2018 4:17 pm 
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Grump14 wrote:
Hi, I am looking for a translation for a tattoo. I want it to be correct and not just whatever Google decided was the right translation before putting it on my skin forever. All help is appreciated.

Looking for the following:
"Fear None, Respect Few"

"Brotherhood"


Thank you for your help.


The first one is a little more complicated than you might think (and it will be longer than four words, I'm afraid). I have to run, but if no one else has addressed this by this afternoon, I'll take a stab at it.

For "Brotherhood" you want Bráithreachas

Wait for more.

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 Post subject: Re: Tattoo translation
PostPosted: Sat 10 Mar 2018 7:53 pm 
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For "Brotherhood" you want Bráithreachas

Yes :good:

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Looking for the following:
"Fear None, Respect Few"

Cryptic expressions like that don't always translate easily from one language to another, and you're almost certainly going to need a few more words to say it in Irish, and/or to accept paraphrasing, since Irish is very noun-oriented. When translating verbal expressions, one often needs to convert to more noun-oriented expressions

Here's one possibility, which takes some mild grammatical liberties for the sake of brevity (but then most slogans do that):

Ní riamh faoi eagla
Never in fear
Urraim do bheagán [daoine]
Respect for few [people]

You could leave out the word in brackets (daoine), but it makes the expression much clearer in Irish. There are also other words for "respect", and I picked urraim just for the meter of the expression.

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 Post subject: Re: Tattoo translation
PostPosted: Tue 13 Mar 2018 11:13 am 
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Awesome, I appreciate the input. I had a feeling the respect one wasn't going to be easy or short. Was worth a shot lol. Thank you again!


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 Post subject: Re: Tattoo translation
PostPosted: Tue 13 Mar 2018 2:30 pm 
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Grump14 wrote:
Hi, I am looking for a translation for a tattoo. I want it to be correct and not just whatever Google decided was the right translation before putting it on my skin forever. All help is appreciated.

Looking for the following:
"Fear None, Respect Few"
.


Ná bíodh eagla ort roimh aoinne ach bíodh meas agat ar bheagán.
(Don't have fear for anyone but have respect for few)

or shorter:
Gan eagla ort roimh aoinne ach meas agat ar bheagán.


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 Post subject: Re: Tattoo translation
PostPosted: Wed 14 Mar 2018 12:01 am 
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Ná bíodh eagla ort roimh aoinne ach bíodh meas agat ar bheagán.
(Don't have fear for anyone but have respect for few)

or shorter:
Gan eagla ort roimh aoinne ach meas agat ar bheagán.


Those look good as well, just a bit longer. In the first one, the meaning is actually "Don't have fear of anyone ...", although in Irish one says literally "fear before someone".

In the second one, the meaning is basically:
"Without fear of anyone, but having respect for a few".

Labhrás: Shouldn't there be something to transition between the clauses, though? Maybe:
Gan eagla ort roimh aoinne ach le meas agat ar bheagán.

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 Post subject: Re: Tattoo translation
PostPosted: Wed 14 Mar 2018 1:59 pm 
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CaoimhínSF wrote:

Labhrás: Shouldn't there be something to transition between the clauses, though? Maybe:
Gan eagla ort roimh aoinne ach le meas agat ar bheagán.


No, I don't think so.
"le meas" (with respect) is a complimentary closing in letters but otherwise "le" isn't necessary.
e.g.
to have respect = meas a bheith agat
I have respect = tá meas agam
may you have respect = go raibh meas agat
and here:
have respect! = bíodh meas agat!

gan in the first clause is just a negation, not really meaning "without" but simply "no" or "not",
an abridgement of either gan eagla a bheith ort (not to have fear) or ná raibh eagla ort (may you not have fear).
So there's no need for le (with) in the second.

As a transition between the clauses there is "ach" (but).

"but with respect at you" wouldn't make much sense, I'd say.


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 Post subject: Re: Tattoo translation
PostPosted: Wed 14 Mar 2018 8:44 pm 
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As a transition between the clauses there is "ach" (but).
"but with respect at you" wouldn't make much sense, I'd say.

I think you misunderstood me. The intent was not to pair the word "le" with the word "meas", but to use its literal meaning as a counterpoint to the word "gan" in the opening clause:
"Without ..., but with ...".
I still think the sentences is awkward without something more in the transition.

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 Post subject: Re: Tattoo translation
PostPosted: Wed 14 Mar 2018 9:18 pm 
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CaoimhínSF wrote:
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As a transition between the clauses there is "ach" (but).
"but with respect at you" wouldn't make much sense, I'd say.

I think you misunderstood me. The intent was not to pair the word "le" with the word "meas", but to use its literal meaning as a counterpoint to the word "gan" in the opening clause:
"Without ..., but with ...".
I still think the sentences is awkward without something more in the transition.


Yes, at first I misunderstood, but then I'd seen your point and I added this part:
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gan in the first clause is just a negation, not really meaning "without" but simply "no" or "not",
an abridgement of either gan eagla a bheith ort (not to have fear) or ná raibh eagla ort (may you not have fear).
So there's no need for le (with) in the second.


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 Post subject: Re: Tattoo translation
PostPosted: Wed 11 Apr 2018 4:54 am 
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It may be a bit late, but the correct spelling is "éinne" instead of "aoinne"

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