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PostPosted: Sun 14 Jan 2018 6:47 pm 
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Labhrás wrote:
Is buan grá an athar


This has a better ring to it.


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PostPosted: Wed 17 Jan 2018 6:05 am 
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Labhrás wrote:
No, without "atá" it is not a kind of fronting but a "normal" copula sentence.
But copula sentences with a predicative adjective aren't very "normal" in contemp. irish.
Except for special purposes (incl. fronting) they are rarely used.
But "buan" is used quite often with the copula. So this sentence is okay (as far as I can judge).


Hmmm... my gut tells me even if it is a normal copula with a predicative adjective it shouldn't have é
Like wouldn't it be "Is maith an rud a dúirt sé"?
Honestly I cannot think of any possible way to say a copula sentence with a predicate adjective that involes in indefinite noun instead of a definite one. All of the examples that my mind creates use genitives or relative clauses....
Is it possible to use one with an indefinite noun? And is é really allowed?

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PostPosted: Wed 17 Jan 2018 5:53 pm 
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Cúmhaí wrote:
Hmmm... my gut tells me even if it is a normal copula with a predicative adjective it shouldn't have é
Like wouldn't it be "Is maith an rud a dúirt sé"?


Is maith an rud ((é) an rud)* a dúirt sé = lit. It is *a* good thing (the thing that/) what he said.

This is a different construction (though it seems similar)
It is like #3b in the following list.

* (BTW: an rud doesn't occur twice, the second an rud (= the subject) is understood. That's why I put it in parenthesis. Again there would be the choice to use a dummy sub-subject pronoun é, see the example with a different subject in #3b.

Compare:
#1 Is maith an rud. = The thing is good. (an rud -> subject, maith -> predicate)
#2 Is maith é an rud. = The thing is good. (é -> sub-subject, an rud -> subject, maith -> predicate)
#3a Is maith an rud é. = It is a good thing. (é -> subject, maith an rud -> predicate)
#3b Is maith an rud (é) an t-alt a scríobh sé. = The article he wrote is a good thing.


Cúmhaí wrote:
Honestly I cannot think of any possible way to say a copula sentence with a predicate adjective that involes in indefinite noun instead of a definite one. All of the examples that my mind creates use genitives or relative clauses....
Is it possible to use one with an indefinite noun? And is é really allowed?

grma


Is geal solas. = Light (in general) is bright.
Is geal an solas. = The light (in general) is bright.
There's not really a difference between definite/indefinite here. Both are meant to be generalising.
(Because of this generalising tendency "Is maith rud" "thing (in general) is good" doesn't make much sense.)

But compare with:
Is geal é an solas = The (special) light is (astonishing) bright. (no generalising at all, other lights aren't that bright)

(and de réir #3a above: Is geal an solas é. = It is a bright light.
or de réir #3b Is geal an solas (í) an ghrian. = The sun is a bright light.)


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PostPosted: Wed 17 Jan 2018 7:01 pm 
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Labhrás wrote:
Is geal solas. = Light (in general) is bright.
Is geal an solas. = The light (in general) is bright.
There's not really a difference between definite/indefinite here. Both are meant to be generalising.
(Because of this generalising tendency "Is maith rud" "thing (in general) is good" doesn't make much sense.)

But compare with:
Is geal é an solas = The (special) light is (astonishing) bright. (no generalising at all, other lights aren't that bright)

(and de réir #3a above: Is geal an solas é. = It is a bright light.
or de réir #3b Is geal an solas (í) an ghrian. = The sun is a bright light.)


I completely follow all of these, like 100%.
BUT ... is it then impossible to say Is geal é solas? Because that is what I am asking about. It seems to me that é cannot be used with indefinite nouns. Perhaps I was not entirely clear, but the things you have (so obligingly, clearly, and helpfully) explained are things which I do understand as opposed to the idea of é with something indefinite of whose permissibility I remain in doubt

EDIT: Actually now that I look again I was also asking about the "is geal solas" so thank you

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PostPosted: Wed 17 Jan 2018 7:10 pm 
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Cúmhaí wrote:
Labhrás wrote:
Is geal solas. = Light (in general) is bright.
Is geal an solas. = The light (in general) is bright.
There's not really a difference between definite/indefinite here. Both are meant to be generalising.
(Because of this generalising tendency "Is maith rud" "thing (in general) is good" doesn't make much sense.)

But compare with:
Is geal é an solas = The (special) light is (astonishing) bright. (no generalising at all, other lights aren't that bright)

(and de réir #3a above: Is geal an solas é. = It is a bright light.
or de réir #3b Is geal an solas (í) an ghrian. = The sun is a bright light.)


I completely follow all of these, like 100%.
BUT ... is it then impossible to say Is geal é solas?


É doesn't make sense here.
But I would never utter the word "impossible" in association with Irish language ;)


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PostPosted: Wed 17 Jan 2018 9:40 pm 
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Labhrás wrote:
But I would never utter the word "impossible" in association with Irish language ;)

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