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PostPosted: Mon 09 Oct 2017 6:52 pm 
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Tá ceist eile agam oraibh arís.

There seems to be so many different ways of saying 'to'(meaning direction) such as 'go', 'go dtí, 'chun' and 'chuig'

what's the difference between them all and how do they affect the grammar? would really be grateful for an answer


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PostPosted: Mon 09 Oct 2017 7:46 pm 
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This is what I was taught at the university:

- go before names of places that don't have an article: go bialann, go teach, go Gaillimh...
- chun or go dtí before names of places that have an article : chun an tí / go dtí an teach. In Donegal, normally people use "chun" ; go dtí is mainly used to talk about time (ceathrú go dtí a sé = 5.45)
- chuig before names of events or people: chuig an fhéile ; chuig an dochtúir

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PostPosted: Tue 10 Oct 2017 8:55 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
- chuig before names of events or people: chuig an fhéile ; chuig an dochtúir


chuig + an + urú
at least in the standard
chuig an bhféile

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Lughaidh wrote:
- chun or go dtí before names of places that have an article : chun an tí / go dtí an teach. In Donegal, normally people use "chun" ; go dtí is mainly used to talk about time (ceathrú go dtí a sé = 5.45)
- chuig before names of events or people: chuig an fhéile ; chuig an dochtúir


My understanding is that this varies significantly by region.
chun seems very popular in Ulster
go dtí seems very popular in Connacht
chuig seems very popular in Munster

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PostPosted: Tue 10 Oct 2017 9:05 pm 
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sorry for the third post

I should mention that these are for the meaning of "to" as indicative of motion 'to' or 'towards' somewhere

This is not 'to' as in 'to eat, to sleep' or as in 'give that to me, sing to mommy' or as in 'I'd love to, we want to'
if you can think of any other meaning of 'to' in English that I missed, it probably does not mean that either

EDIT: i just realized you already specified this in the original post... sorry!!

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Cúmhaí wrote:
Lughaidh wrote:
- chuig before names of events or people: chuig an fhéile ; chuig an dochtúir


chuig + an + urú
at least in the standard
chuig an bhféile



To be fair, I don't think I've seen Lughaidh ever use anything outside Gweedore Irish. And, actually, both the eclipse and the lenition are accepted in the standard now.


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galaxyrocker wrote:
And, actually, both the eclipse and the lenition are accepted in the standard now.


I definitely thought that the latest standard did not allow lenition here.
The previous standard allowed both, but my understanding is the newest one does not.

I don't have it around at the moment, so if someone does maybe (s)he can check directly...

Obviously unless you care about what is "standard" then it doesn't matter.
The fact that various things are acceptable and then unacceptable and vice versa shows how arbitrary it is anyway.

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Cúmhaí wrote:
galaxyrocker wrote:
And, actually, both the eclipse and the lenition are accepted in the standard now.


I definitely thought that the latest standard did not allow lenition here.
The previous standard allowed both, but my understanding is the newest one does not.


That would be strange.
http://www.oireachtas.ie/parliament/med ... l-2017.pdf
Féach: 1.7 An Tuiseal Tabharthach Uatha – Córas an tSéimhithe


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Labhrás wrote:
http://www.oireachtas.ie/parliament/med ... l-2017.pdf
Féach: 1.7 An Tuiseal Tabharthach Uatha – Córas an tSéimhithe


Go raibh maith agat!
So yes they are both acceptable.

Actually fascinating to see the two systems laid out.
I guess I never read that part of the CO until now!!

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To be fair, I don't think I've seen Lughaidh ever use anything outside Gweedore Irish. And, actually, both the eclipse and the lenition are accepted in the standard now.


when I write and speak indeed I do my best to speak GD Irish. Now, when someone asks a question on grammar, I try to answer according to what I've learnt, and I've not only learnt GD Irish, I've also learnt many things from books (about standard & dialects) and at the university, where we learnt standard Irish for the written language...

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