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 Post subject: Re: Writing the Date
PostPosted: Thu 20 Apr 2017 5:10 pm 
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Go raibh míle maith agat, a Labhráis!
That brings another question, though. :) What was that 'rejoicing' associated with? Was it some Christian or pre-Christian holiday?


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 Post subject: Re: Writing the Date
PostPosted: Thu 20 Apr 2017 5:15 pm 
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Pangur wrote:
Go raibh míle maith agat, a Labhrás!
That brings another question, though. :) What was that 'rejoicing' associated with? Was it some Christian or pre-Christian holiday?



Níl a fhios agam.

Ach foinse eile, MacBain's dictionary:
http://www.ceantar.org/Dicts/MB2/mb17.html

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faoilleach , faoillteach
the month extending from the middle of January to the middle of February, Irish faoillidh (do.), faoilleach (do.), holidays, Carnival. The idea is "Carnival" or month of rejoicing; from faoilidh. Usually referred to faol, wolf: "wolf-month". Cf. féill. February in Irish = mí na Féile Bríghde.

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faoilidh
liberal, hospitable, Irish faoilidh, joyful, Old Irish fáilidh, blithe, *vâleti-s, allied to fáilt, welcome (Stokes). Hence faoilte, welcome, delight. Root, *vil, Greek @Gi@`larós, gay?



http://www.teanglann.ie/en/fgb/faoilidh:
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faoilidh. 1 = fáilí 1. 2 = faoide1.

http://www.teanglann.ie/en/fgb/fáilí
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fáilí, a3. 1. Pleasant, affable, agreeable. 2. Disarmingly friendly, ingratiatingly pleasant. 3. Furtive, stealthy. Teacht go ~ ar dhuine, to steal up on s.o.


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 Post subject: Re: Writing the Date
PostPosted: Thu 20 Apr 2017 5:50 pm 
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Seo é an nasc a bhí i gceist agat, measaim, a Labhráis. http://www.teanglann.ie/en/fgb/f%C3%A1il%C3%AD


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 Post subject: Re: Writing the Date
PostPosted: Thu 19 Jul 2018 3:57 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
in Donegal, the months are these:

2a do Mhí Eanáir
...do Mhí na bhFaoilleach
...do Mhí 'n Mhárta
...do Mhí Aibreáin
...do Mhí na Bealtaine
...do Mhí na Féile Eoin
...do Mhí na Súl Buí
...do Mhí Lúnasna
...do Mhí Mheán Fómhair
...do Mhí Dheireadh Fómhair
...do Mhí na Samhna
...do Mhí na Nollag

Thank you this is helpful. But I noticed that some of the months use na, and one uses 'n, and the others use nothing. Is there any rhyme or reason to this?

Then, are there any circumstances in which you would use the name of the month on its own without Mhí/Mí in front of it? For example, are there any contexts in which you refer to November as "Samhna" or "Samhain" rather than Mí na Samhna, or refer to August as Lunasa rather than "M(h)í Lúnasna"?

I am trying to learn about dates and months with Duolingo. It is picky about these aspects but does not offer much in the way of explanation!


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 Post subject: Re: Writing the Date
PostPosted: Thu 19 Jul 2018 4:29 pm 
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Labhrás wrote:

And even more often, dates are written shorter:
Dé Sathairn, 15 Aibreán 2017
(spoken: Dé Sathairn, an cúigiú lá déag d’Aibreán sa bhliain dhá mhíle is a seacht déag)


I think nowadays anyhow when writing the date, on a letter for example, you'd write that short form, or even 15/4/2018 (remember in Ireland we put the day first, then the month.).

Notice if you're using Mí before the month it changes to genitive, but nominative in the short form.

Bealtaine, Samhain, and Lúnasa were ancient festivals, the months are named after those.
Samhain - is also the modern day Halloween.


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 Post subject: Re: Writing the Date
PostPosted: Mon 23 Jul 2018 5:11 am 
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se16teddy wrote:
But I noticed that some of the months use na, and one uses 'n, and the others use nothing. Is there any rhyme or reason to this?


na is the word 'the' before a feminine noun in this context
an or 'n is the word 'the' before a masculine noun in this context

then nothing before a proper month name (Eanáir, Aibreán, Lúnasa) -- we do not refer to "The January" but merely "January"
and also nothing before compound nouns (Meán Fómhair, Deireadh Fómhair)

So yes, actually, they are all regular and predictable assuming, of course, that you know all the words, their genders, and the grammar rules.

se16teddy wrote:
Then, are there any circumstances in which you would use the name of the month on its own without Mhí/Mí in front of it? For example, are there any contexts in which you refer to November as "Samhna" or "Samhain" rather than Mí na Samhna, or refer to August as Lunasa rather than "M(h)í Lúnasna"?


Except for the three mentioned above (Eanáir, Aibreán, Lúnasa), none of the words after Mí are the names of months. For example, as Bríd pointed out, Mí na Samhna means the month of Halloween. Mí na Súl Buí, which is not the official standard Irish name for July, means literally the month of the yellow eyes or the month of the corn marigolds. If you just spoke about "the yellow eyes" or "the corn marigolds" then no one would have any idea you were referring to a month at all! And if you spoke of Samhain alone, then you would be discussing the feast, not the month.

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 Post subject: Re: Writing the Date
PostPosted: Mon 23 Jul 2018 8:29 am 
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Cúmhaí wrote:
na is the word 'the' before a feminine noun in this context
an or 'n is the word 'the' before a masculine noun in this context


And, because they are in genitive, I would translate them as ‘of the’. ;-) (‘the’ in nominative singular is always an, never na, and causes different mutations)


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