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 Post subject: Ceist faoi "á"
PostPosted: Mon 08 Aug 2016 4:29 am 
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Bhí mé ar mo leaba dom ach ní raibh mé in ann dul i mo chodladh de bharr go raibh ceist ghramadaí agam agus fonn teasaí orm freagra a fháil uirthi

Cén chaoi a ndéarfaí an ceann seo:
"She is kissing me" and does it matter what gender the speaker is??
Here was my guess:
"Tá mé á phógadh aici."
But if I were a woman would it be:
"Tá mé á pógadh aici."??
Ná bíodh imní oraibh -- is í mo sheanmháthair í, cé gur mise fear nó bean

Also, I am assuming this is correct:
"Bhíomar á bpógadh acu" (They were kissing us)

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 Post subject: Re: Ceist faoi "á"
PostPosted: Mon 08 Aug 2016 7:21 am 
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She is kissing me would be Tá sí (do) mo phósadh. Tá mé (do) mó phósadh aici could work as well, but is generally a passive as I understand it, and puts more focus on the 'me' (I am being kissed by her)


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 Post subject: Re: Ceist faoi "á"
PostPosted: Mon 08 Aug 2016 9:05 am 
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Cúmhaí wrote:
Bhí mé ar mo leaba dom ach ní raibh mé in ann dul i mo chodladh de bharr go raibh ceist ghramadaí agam agus fonn teasaí orm freagra a fháil uirthi

Cén chaoi a ndéarfaí an ceann seo:
"She is kissing me" and does it matter what gender the speaker is??
Here was my guess:
"Tá mé á phógadh aici."
But if I were a woman would it be:
"Tá mé á pógadh aici."??


á = do + a (to her), á is the object, the person being kissed,
Tá mé á pógadh = I am kissing her.

So, if "me" is the object and "she" the subject, do mo instead of á is used:
Tá sí do mo phógadh = she is kissing me.

If you use aici (or agam, agat, aige, ...) it is passive.
Tá sí á pógadh agam. = She is being kissed by me.
Tá mé do mo phógadh aici. = I am being kissed by her.

Cúmhaí wrote:
Also, I am assuming this is correct:
"Bhíomar á bpógadh acu" (They were kissing us)


Bhíomar á bpógadh. = We were kissing them.
Bhíodar (= Bhí siad) dár bpógadh = They were kissing us.

or passive:
Bhíomar dár bpógadh acu. = We were being kissed by them.
Bhíodar á bpógadh againn. = They were being kissed by us.


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 Post subject: Re: Ceist faoi "á"
PostPosted: Mon 08 Aug 2016 10:54 am 
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I wonder if native speakers would actually say that, although these sentences are grammatically correct.

Isn't it more natural to say "Bhí mé á pógadh" etc? :)

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 Post subject: Re: Ceist faoi "á"
PostPosted: Mon 08 Aug 2016 11:21 am 
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Lughaidh wrote:
I wonder if native speakers would actually say that, although these sentences are grammatically correct.

Isn't it more natural to say "Bhí mé á pógadh" etc? :)


Do you mean the passive construction?
In Munster, passive voice is preferred in relative clauses, including wh-questions, at least.
e.g.
Cad tá agat á dhéanamh? ("What is being done by you?") instead of Céard atá tú a dhéanamh? (What are you doing?)
Or in our context:
Cé tá aici á phógadh? ("Who is being kissed by her?") instead of Cé atá sí a phógadh? (Whom she is kissing?)


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 Post subject: Re: Ceist faoi "á"
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Labhrás wrote:
Or in our context:
Cé tá aici á phógadh? ("Who is being kissed by her?") instead of Cé atá sí a phógadh? (Whom she is kissing?)


So it follows: "Who is kissing her?"
Cé aige a bhfuil sí á pógadh?

and

"Who is kissing me?"
Cé atá do mo phógadh?
or maybe
Cé aige a bhfuilim do mo phógadh?

or maybe on a police call:
Abair linn cé aige a bhfuil tú do do ghortú
or just
Abair linn cé atá do do ghortú

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 Post subject: Re: Ceist faoi "á"
PostPosted: Mon 08 Aug 2016 6:45 pm 
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Cúmhaí wrote:
Labhrás wrote:
Or in our context:
Cé tá aici á phógadh? ("Who is being kissed by her?") instead of Cé atá sí a phógadh? (Whom she is kissing?)


So it follows: "Who is kissing her?"
Cé aige a bhfuil sí á pógadh?

and

"Who is kissing me?"
Cé atá do mo phógadh?
or maybe
Cé aige a bhfuilim do mo phógadh?

or maybe on a police call:
Abair linn cé aige a bhfuil tú do do ghortú
or just
Abair linn cé atá do do ghortú


It’s ok, I’d think.


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 Post subject: Re: Ceist faoi "á"
PostPosted: Mon 08 Aug 2016 7:30 pm 
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This is really related only tangentially, but

Are these right?

"Who hurt you?"
Cér ghortaigh thú?
Cé hé a ghortaigh thú?
Cé aige an bhfuil tú gortaithe?


Are these equivalent? Are they right?

"This isn't what I was reading."
Ní hé seo a bhí do mo léamh.
Ní hé seo a bhí á léamh agam.

Is this a thing? (even more tangential)

"You're the expert I respect the most"'
Is tú an t-eolaí dar mhó mo mheas

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 Post subject: Re: Ceist faoi "á"
PostPosted: Mon 08 Aug 2016 7:38 pm 
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Another unrelated question

Which is right?

"If the party were tonight, John and I wouldn't stay home."
Dá mbeadh an chóisir anocht, ní fhanfaimis mé féin agus Seán sa bhaile
Dá mbeadh an chóisir anocht, ní fhanfaidís mé féin agus Seán sa bhaile

or the one I suspect is most likely right:
Dá mbeadh an chóisir anocht, ní fhanfadh mé féin agus Seán sa bhaile

"Who stole it? He and she did."
Cé a ghoid é? Is é féin agus í féin iad a rinne é.
Cé a ghoid é? Is iad é féin agus í féin a rinne é.
Cé a ghoid é? Eisean agus ise a rinne é.

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 Post subject: Re: Ceist faoi "á"
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Cúmhaí wrote:
This is really related only tangentially, but

Are these right?

"Who hurt you?"
Cér ghortaigh thú?
Cé hé a ghortaigh thú?
Cé aige an bhfuil tú gortaithe?


Are these equivalent? Are they right?


Cér is wrong. Cér is used only in copula clauses.
Cé a ghortaigh thú?

Cé aige a bhfuil ... (not: an) or in Munster: Cé aige go bhfuil ...
I think such sentences are very unusual though grammatically correct.
Perfect tense is used only to denote the result or termination of an action. But here the focus is on the person hurting, so Cé a ghortaigh thú? is sufficient.

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"This isn't what I was reading."
Ní hé seo a bhí do mo léamh.
Ní hé seo a bhí á léamh agam.


"do mo" only when "me" is the object (do mo léamh = "reading me")
So: Ní hé seo a bhí mé á léamh.

Cúmhaí wrote:
Is this a thing? (even more tangential)

"You're the expert I respect the most"'
Is tú an t-eolaí dar mhó mo mheas


Probably Is tusa ... would be preferred.

And: ... ar ar mhó mo mheas ("ar ar" instead of dar)
but rather: ... ar mhó mo mheas air
(meas ar dhuine, not: meas do dhuine)


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