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PostPosted: Wed 10 Sep 2014 2:29 pm 
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I'm struggling again with something I should probably know.

When indicating possession you use a séimhiú with a consonant to indicate male , A Chairt = his Car A Cairt = Her Car

With a Vowel you add H before the word to indicate her possession ,Ar dheis Dé go raibh a hanam dílis
vs Ar dheis Dé go raibh a anam dílis. = may she/he rest in peace

How do you indicate possession with something like Leabhar, or Lámh ?

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PostPosted: Wed 10 Sep 2014 2:44 pm 
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Do you mean how do you distinguish his book and her book?

There's no way really in Munster Irish. In other dialects there are still tense and lax versions of L,N and R (that is unlenited and lenited versions) indicating one with L and the other with l you would have:

a Leabhar = her book
a leabhar = his book

The difference is quite hard to hear, at least I found it hard, people from Mayo have the strongest version of it to my mind.

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I stumbled on this today when speaking, large gab as I tried to figure it out what I had heard before, and then when that failed did a run down of grammatical rules I knew , which didn't lend any to the flow of the conversation .

Any idea where I could hear an example of this tense and lax versions of L,N and R ? its the first ive heard of them.

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also is there anyway to edit a topic subject, His, hers might be a better title if someone else was looking for a similar answer.

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Dáithí Mac Giolla. wrote:
I stumbled on this today when speaking, large gab as I tried to figure it out what I had heard before, and then when that failed did a run down of grammatical rules I knew , which didn't lend any to the flow of the conversation .

Any idea where I could hear an example of this tense and lax versions of L,N and R ? its the first ive heard of them.

Broad n http://www.fuaimeanna.ie/en/Recordings. ... onemeID=41
Broad N http://www.fuaimeanna.ie/en/Recordings. ... onemeID=70
Slender n http://www.fuaimeanna.ie/en/Recordings. ... onemeID=42
Slender N http://www.fuaimeanna.ie/en/Recordings. ... onemeID=71

Broad l http://www.fuaimeanna.ie/en/Recordings. ... onemeID=37
Broad L http://www.fuaimeanna.ie/en/Recordings. ... onemeID=72
Slender l http://www.fuaimeanna.ie/en/Recordings. ... onemeID=38
Slender L http://www.fuaimeanna.ie/en/Recordings. ... onemeID=73

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Dáithí Mac Giolla. wrote:
also is there anyway to edit a topic subject, His, hers might be a better title if someone else was looking for a similar answer.

Thread title changed, in general you just edit the subject line of your opening post. I hope the new title is okay.

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An Lon Dubh wrote:


Jesus they are a bit hard to distinguish for me 8O

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An Lon Dubh wrote:
Dáithí Mac Giolla. wrote:
also is there anyway to edit a topic subject, His, hers might be a better title if someone else was looking for a similar answer.

Thread title changed, in general you just edit the subject line of your opening post. I hope the new title is okay.


Damn sight better than yoohoo :)

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The Gaoth Dobhair and Conamara speakers are young(ish!) and don't articulate as strong as could be done. I would say that since tenseness comes into it, length does to. In otherwords, the stronger consonants are longer too. (By the way the broad 'd' in Donegal and Connachta is traditionally very tense as well, well, the t and and s I suppose as well)

If you consider 'pin', 'pill', as being light and 'bawn' and 'ball' as being dark, you have four of them. If you then imitate older Donegal and Conemara (and some Muster speakers) for the broad deep L and N (very thick and 'liquid' -the l-sound very similar to many Donegal and Derry people's general l in English) you have two more and the last two are in 'minion' and 'million', so you should be able to say:

lúb (the verb)/Lu:b/ vs. an lúb (the noun) /@ lu:b/
and liach (masc, 'depression') vs. an liach (feminine, 'measure') with confidence!

(Of course the prior n of the article might keep it strong anyway...also, there tend to be two weak slender allophones, a short, very crisp version before a front vowel and a palatised one before a back vowel -think leamhan/liún 'moth', mo liún vis. mo léir ('my ruin/woe')

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You can also say, or write an leabhar seo aige or an leabhar seo aici to differentiate.


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