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PostPosted: Sat 03 Sep 2011 11:47 am 
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Franc posted some children's songs in another thread under Cluichí - Games:

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One of the songs was:

http://soundcloud.com/roibeard/aon-d-mu ... hla-rabhla


Here are the words as I hear them:


A hAon, a Dó, Muc is Bó

A haon, a dó, muc is bó
A trí, a ceathair, bróga leathair
A cúig, a sé, cupa té (= cupán tae)
A seacht, a hocht, seana-bhean bhocht (= seanbhean bhocht)
A naoi, a deich, císte te.



The dialect is Munster. If there are any mistakes, please post suggested corrections below, and I will edit them into the original above.

I've shown the "standard" vocab in brackets so beginners can look it up.

For questions on grammar and meaning, I suggest that each person who has a question (or two) should start a new topic in Cúinne Foghlaimeoirí - Learners' Corner.

Others who know traditional variations of this rhyme might like to post them below (in answer to this topic) ...

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Sep 2011 4:08 pm 
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Bhuel a chara, for once I have an advantage - I have the book that goes with it - so here are the words as they appear on the page -
Aon, dó
Muc is bó,
Trí, ceathair,
Bróga leathair, (there's a sly genitive that's slipped itself in there, that the beginner doesn't notice)
Cúig, sé,
Cupa té (and another one there too)
Seacht, ocht,
Seanbhean bhocht,
Naoi, deich,
Císte te. (the old woman here is Bab Feritéar - who is longer with us)
NB they pronounce naoi as né and not as Neuilly, which surprised me but it must how they say it in Munster and you have keep an ear out for the sound différence between té and te.
Slán go fóill - à la prochaine
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PostPosted: Mon 05 Sep 2011 10:31 pm 
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franc 91 wrote:
Bhuel a chara, for once I have an advantage - I have the book that goes with it - so here are the words as they appear on the page -
Aon, dó
Muc is bó,
Trí, ceathair,
Bróga leathair, (there's a sly genitive that's slipped itself in there, that the beginner doesn't notice)
Cúig, sé,
Cupa té (and another one there too)
Seacht, ocht,
Seanbhean bhocht,
Naoi, deich,
Císte te. (the old woman here is Bab Feritéar - who is longer with us)
NB they pronounce naoi as né and not as Neuilly, which surprised me but it must how they say it in Munster and you have keep an ear out for the sound différence between té and te.
Slán go fóill - à la prochaine
Franc

Over the years, I have learned not to trust the lyrics given with records, cassettes, CD's, etc., especially Irish ones, without careful revision.

The a is practically silent but appends an h to certain aon and ocht. You'll notice at least some of the kids pronouncing an h on those numbers and that is the clue that it should be there, besides also being the grammatically correct representation - so it should be written as I gave it (but people like to save space. :winkgrin: )

You are, of course, correct about naoi being pronounced /Ne:/ in Munster, but be aware that many English speakers would (quite incorrectly, of course) pronounce Neuilly as if it rhymed with "oily", instead of /Ni:/. :LOL:

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Sep 2011 10:37 pm 
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There is another version that I think goes something like this -

hAon, dó, Muc is bó, (?)
Trí, ceathair, mála leathair,
Cúig, sé, cearc is gé,
Seacht, hocht, Seanbhean bhocht,
Naoi, deich, pighin go leith

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PostPosted: Tue 06 Sep 2011 8:09 am 
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Just to add that Neuilly doesn't rhyme with oily exactly but more like nur-yee (a knee with a slight slide at the beginning of the vowel)
And by the way it's a school book for the Gaelscoil and there's a whole chapter in Irish on how it is to be used there. (I quote)
Rogha rannta traidisiúnta don aos óg á n-insint ag trí ghlúin de mhuintir Ghaeltacht Chorca Dhuibhne le tionlacadh ceoil atá sa phacáiste oideachais seo. - Roibeard Ó Cathasaigh


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franc 91 wrote:
Just to add that Neuilly doesn't rhyme with oily exactly but more like nur-yee (a knee with a slight slide at the beginning of the vowel)

Franc, I think that you are talking about the actual French pronunciation, whereas I am talking about the pronunciation by the majority of English speakers who wouldn't know a word of French to save themselves. :winkgrin: (Moi, je ne le prononce jamais comme "oily", mais les autres anglo-phones ... :rolleyes: )

franc 91 wrote:
And by the way it's a school book for the Gaelscoil and there's a whole chapter in Irish on how it is to be used there. (I quote)
Rogha rannta traidisiúnta don aos óg á n-insint ag trí ghlúin de mhuintir Ghaeltacht Chorca Dhuibhne le tionlacadh ceoil atá sa phacáiste oideachais seo. - Roibeard Ó Cathasaigh

Yes, it is a wonderful project with lovely Munster speakers from three generations, I agree.

The convention with counting numbers (na maoluimhreacha), however, is to write a haon, a dó, a trí, etc., even though the a is mostly silent.

From Graiméar Gaeilge na mBráithre Críostaí:
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AN MHAOLUIMHIR
12.2 Maoluimhir is ea uimhir nach dtagann ainmfhocal go díreach ar a lorg. Is é seo a leanas córas na maoluimhreacha go dtí 20:
0 náid 1 a haon 2 a dó 3 a trí 4 a ceathair 5 acúig 6 a sé 7 a seacht 8 a hocht
9 a naoi 10 a deich ...
1,100 míle is céad 3,972 trí mhíle, naoi gcéad seachtó a dó 4,001 ceithre mhíle, a haon 7,116 seacht míle, céad a sé déag 1,100,180 milliún, céad míle, céad is ochtó 4,239,587 ceithre mhilliún, dhá chéad tríocha is naoi míle, cúig chéad ochtó a seacht 7,318,001 seacht milliún, trí chéad is ocht míle dhéag, a haon

So if Roibeard has made a conscious choice not to follow that convention, for space reasons or whatever, I respect that, but conventional spelling would normally include the particle a.

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My "specialty" is Connemara Irish, particularly Cois Fhairrge dialect.
Is fearr Gaeilge ḃriste ná Béarla cliste, cinnte, aċ i ḃfad níos fearr aríst í Gaeilge ḃinn ḃeo na nGaeltaċtaí.
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