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PostPosted: Mon 30 Oct 2017 5:55 pm 
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Redwolf wrote:
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I could be wrong but my understanding of it is that "púca" is like a little demon or something like that, and "taibhse" is the ghost of real people who have lived.

That's always been my impression as well, and Bríd would know, since she lives in Conamara where the pucaí and taibhsí are still alive and well. :mrgreen:


Or, you know, dead and well...

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PostPosted: Mon 30 Oct 2017 10:07 pm 
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Redwolf wrote:
Or, you know, dead and well...

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LOL brilliant

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For your information, in the School's Collection on the Duchas.ie website there are 120 stories and written descriptions of traditional customs available when you key in Oíche Shamhna. Here are some of the titles, though not all of them have been transcribed yet.

- Cleasanna ar Oíche Shamhna

- Féilí na Bliana - Oíche Shamhna

- Nósanna Oíche Shamhna

- Na Cleasa a Bhíonn ag Daoine - Oíche Shamhna

- Nósanna a Bhí ag na Mná Fadó - Oíche Shamhna

- Na Bailte Fearainn atá sé Seanphobal - Rann Oíche Shamhna

- Scéal a Tharla Oíche Shamhna

- Oíche Shamhna i dTabhnach-Cnámh

- Scéal-Síoga Oíche Shamhna

- Cluichí Oíche Shamhna

- Sean-Nósanna Oíche Shamhna

- Domhnall Mac na Baintrí agus na Síoga Oíche Shamhna

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PostPosted: Tue 31 Oct 2017 2:45 pm 
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Thanks for the clarification Bríd!

Also btw I wasn't able to find a translation for a Jack O'lantern, do any of you know the translation? also wondering is there any places in Ireland that still use turnips as opposed to pumpkins?


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PostPosted: Tue 31 Oct 2017 3:33 pm 
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The equivalent in Irish of Jack O'Lantern is Seán na Gealaí (John of the Moon) - not to be confused with Dónall na Gealaí who is the Man of the Moon who was visited by one Daniel O'Rourke who had had too much to drink and made the bad choice of lying down to sleep under the walls of the Púca's Castle. Another personification of Jack is Séadna (pronounced shiana) who you can meet in a well-known story in Munster Irish. Seán na Gealaí wanders around the bog with an old turnip that he uses as a lamp, definitely not a pumpkin which seems to have migrated from Thanksgiving. His sparring partner was the Devil - otherwise known as The Big Man. But I might add that Oíche Shamhna also has a lot to do with a change of season, but again that's another story.


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franc 91 wrote:
with an old turnip that he uses as a lamp, definitely not a pumpkin which seems to have migrated from Thanksgiving


I think the simpler reason is that turnips are simply not widely grown or eaten in America, as they (along with many other things common in Europe) are considered fit only for animals. And our native pumpkins are really so much better suited to lanterns, anyway!

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Well I think the idea is that he could hold his turnip lantern in one hand and a stick or perhaps a drink in the other. Even if they were available, trying to walk round with a pumpkin in one hand wouldn't have been very practical.


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franc 91 wrote:
trying to walk round with a pumpkin in one hand wouldn't have been very practical.

certainly not
better to use a courgette
it's all squash anyway!

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Cúmhaí wrote:
franc 91 wrote:
with an old turnip that he uses as a lamp, definitely not a pumpkin which seems to have migrated from Thanksgiving


I think the simpler reason is that turnips are simply not widely grown or eaten in America, as they (along with many other things common in Europe) are considered fit only for animals. And our native pumpkins are really so much better suited to lanterns, anyway!


I don't know. I decided to put both a turnip and pumpkin lantern outside my door this year. The pumpkin looked like a cute party thing while the turnip was much creepier and looked like it could actually keep demons away


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An Sionnach Glic wrote:
The pumpkin looked like a cute party thing while the turnip was much creepier and looked like it could actually keep demons away


I believe it!!! I bet any kind of turnip would be enough to keep kids away ;-) hahahahaha

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