I'm subscribed to the talkirish.com Focal an lae, and today's word is "fliuch". Pronunciation is here
http://talkirish.com/blogs/wordaday/arc ... h-wet.aspx

However, the mp3 course from the same site pronounces it differently. In the mp3 lesson 1, there is a definite L sound and it ends with a back of the throat K sound. This is how I've been pronouncing it all along, then their focal an lae comes today and it's totally different (I don't hear an L sound or a K sound).

Can anyone shed some light on why this is pronounced so differently? I'm so lost...

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I'm very much a beginner learner. Don't hesitate to correct me, as long as you explain why. This is how I learn best!

I think Michelle always does Donegal pronunciation.
In the North they don't do the CH sound like we have in Conamara.
Lughaidh or Redwolf will be able to comment on how good her pronunciation is.

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It is recommended that you always wait for three to agree on a translation.
I speak Connemara Irish, and my input will often reflect that.
I will do an mp3 file on request for short translations.
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The pronunciation in the course (Buntús Cainte) is standard.

I would venture that the other is Donegal pronunciation, as Bríd suggested.

The word madadh is used in Donegal (and also in Connacht) - madra would be the standard word (for whatever crazy reason. )


I see Faber has made a comment Tá an cat agus madadh fliuch. (The dog and cat are wet).

I think that should be: Tá an cat agus an madadh fliuch. "The cat and (the) dog are wet."

In English, you can get away with one definite article covering both nouns but not in Irish. I think that may be because Irish has no indefinite article, so that tá an cat agus madadh fliuch would mean "the cat and a dog are wet."

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Múinteoir Gaeilge - Irish Teacher
My "specialty" is Connemara Irish, particularly Cois Fhairrge dialect, but I can also speak Ulster and Munster Irish with native-level pronunciation.
Is fearr Gaeilge ḃriste ná Béarla cliste, cinnte, aċ i ḃfad níos fearr aríst í Gaeilge ḃinn ḃeo na nGaeltaċtaí.
Gaeilge Chonnacht (GC), go háraid Gaeilge Chois Fhairrge (GCF), Gaeilic Uladh (GU), Gaelainn na Mumhan (GM), agus Gaeilge an Chaighdeáin Oifigiúil (CO).

What is written "ch" in Irish is never pronounced as a k in native Irish. It is only pronounced k by learners who haven't mastered yet the sounds of Irish...

Btw, in "fliuch", the ch is pronounced /x/ (ie. the throat sound as in Scottish loch, as Spanish j, etc) in Munster, Connemara and Southern Donegal, and like an h in Northern Donegal.

I think the L is pronounced by all native speakers. Which means... that if one doesn't pronounce the L and doesn't pronounce the "ch" as either /x/ or /h/, one doesn't pronounce properly

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Is fearr Gaeilg na Gaeltaċta ná Gaeilg ar biṫ eile
Agus is í Gaeilg Ġaoṫ Doḃair is binne

All I can say is the way it's pronounced there doesn't sound like the ways I've heard it. The way Bríd does it in her recording in our "word of the day" fits with what I'm used to hearing. Doesn't mean the talkirish recording is wrong...just that it doesn't sound like what I'm used to.

Redwolf

I'm used to the way it's pronounced on the Buntús Cainte CD too - perhaps you might like to get hold of that course as well.

She says "filliuch", which sounds a bit strange to me...

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Is fearr Gaeilg na Gaeltaċta ná Gaeilg ar biṫ eile
Agus is í Gaeilg Ġaoṫ Doḃair is binne

The Buntús Cainte recording we are talking about is a man's voice and can be found here:

http://talkirish.com/online-irish-cours ... esson.aspx

Load the free lesson and press the play ">|" button 8 times.

We are comparing this with the newer material added to the talkirish.com site by the owners that mimerim asked about in her first post above:

http://talkirish.com/blogs/wordaday/arc ... h-wet.aspx

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Múinteoir Gaeilge - Irish Teacher
My "specialty" is Connemara Irish, particularly Cois Fhairrge dialect, but I can also speak Ulster and Munster Irish with native-level pronunciation.
Is fearr Gaeilge ḃriste ná Béarla cliste, cinnte, aċ i ḃfad níos fearr aríst í Gaeilge ḃinn ḃeo na nGaeltaċtaí.
Gaeilge Chonnacht (GC), go háraid Gaeilge Chois Fhairrge (GCF), Gaeilic Uladh (GU), Gaelainn na Mumhan (GM), agus Gaeilge an Chaighdeáin Oifigiúil (CO).

They sound like native speakers in the Buntús Cainte course.

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It is recommended that you always wait for three to agree on a translation.
I speak Connemara Irish, and my input will often reflect that.
I will do an mp3 file on request for short translations.
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Breandán is correct here with my missing article being incorrect. I posted this and most of my other posts about a year ago and I am sure that many are wrong. On a related note to this post, I wrote Michelle to find out WHO exactly is reading these words and it is not her. It is a voice actress in Belfast. Just a little FYI.