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PostPosted: Mon 28 May 2012 6:22 pm 
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conas tá' thanks for the help again, just reading up on the short verb endings for the aimsir fháistneach and an example given is "bogfaidh" and it gives phonetics for the faifh part as hig or at least "sounds like hig", it might just be me but as far as i remember in school we alwyas said it more like a long e at the end as opposed to a g sound, any thoughts?

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PostPosted: Mon 28 May 2012 6:36 pm 
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-faidh is pronounced /hig´/ hig in Munster in front of nouns, and /hi/ hi in front of pronouns.

-faidh is pronounced /hə/ huh in Connacht, /ə/ uh in Cois Fhairrge.

-faidh is pronounced /hi:/ hee in Ulster in front of nouns, and /hə/ heh in front of pronouns.

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PostPosted: Mon 28 May 2012 7:19 pm 
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Yeah, examples,

in Munster:
bogfaidh Seán > boh-kigg Shawn
bogfaidh sé > boh-kuh shay

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PostPosted: Tue 29 May 2012 5:28 pm 
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Interesting, and new to me, I've got to admit. Go raibh maith agaibh.


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PostPosted: Tue 29 May 2012 6:20 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
Yeah, examples,

in Munster:
bogfaidh Seán > boh-kigg Shawn
bogfaidh sé > boh-kuh shay

Yes, the h sound on the -faidh ending also devoices the preceding consonant, so the g is hardened to c (a k sound), etc.

That happens to b, d, g, bh, and mh, which become p, t, k, f and f sounds, respectively, even in Cois Fhairrge, where the h is normally silent:

scuab /sku:b/ skoob => scuabfaidh /sku:pə/ skoop-uh
goid /ged´/ gwej => goidfidh /get´ə/ gweh-tih
bog /bog/ bog => bogfaidh /bokə/ bok-uh
scríobh /s´k´r´i:w/ shkrhee-oo => scríobhfaidh /s´k´r´i:fə/ shkrhee-fuh
snámh /sNɑ:w/ snaw-oo => snámhfaidh /sNɑ:fə/ snaw-fuh

A similar thing happens with the -tha ending on verbal adjective (past participles), which is why the pp. of lobh is lofa (lobhtha), the pp. of scríobh is scríofa (scríobhtha), etc.

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