pronunciation question

franc 91 · **Posted:** Fri 25 May 2012 7:48 am

Yesterday evening I went to see (and hear) Gabriel Rosenstock presenting Haiku. Here's one -
labhraígí, a chlocha
cén fáth nach labhraíonn sibh?
- sráidbhaile tréigthe
how do you pronounce the last word there?

Breandán · **Posted:** Fri 25 May 2012 7:58 am

In Connemara, I think it would be:

tréigthe /t´r´e:k´ə/ chi-RHEH-kih

The g is devoiced to k by the th.

The r is the slender r which is somewhat buzzier than the broad r.

The final syllable may be heard as ih or hih, as th is either silent or pronounced like an h.

Here's a sound file:

http://www.forvo.com/word/tréigthe/

franc 91 · **Posted:** Fri 25 May 2012 8:23 am

Ah well there's just one slight problem there, Gabriel Rosenstock was very proud to tell us that he went to study at Cork University instead of Cambridge or elsewhere (when the Intinn group was beginning to be active) and his dialect is definitely from there.

Breandán · **Posted:** Fri 25 May 2012 8:38 am

franc 91 wrote:

Ah well there's just one slight problem there, Gabriel Rosenstock was very proud to tell us that he went to study at Cork University instead of Cambridge or elsewhere (when the Intinn group was beginning to be active) and his dialect is definitely from there.

Perhaps, but your question was "how do you pronounce the last word there?". So I gave the answer accordingly.

"How do they pronounce the last word in Cork?" Well, that's quite literally a different question.

franc 91 · **Posted:** Fri 25 May 2012 8:51 am

Yes sorry about that :oops:

Lughaidh · **Joined:** Thu 15 Sep 2011 12:06 pm **Posts:** 2436

I'm not sure but I think they'd say "tréigithe" or sthg like that in Cork, ie. /t'r'e:g'ihi/

Bríd Mhór · **Joined:** Sun 28 Aug 2011 8:29 pm **Posts:** 2994

Breandán wrote:

In Connemara, I think it would be:

tréigthe /t´r´e:k´ə/ chi-RHEH-kih

The g is devoiced to k by the th.

The r is the slender r which is somewhat buzzier than the broad r.

The final syllable may be heard as ih or hih, as th is either silent or pronounced like an h.

Here's a sound file:

http://www.forvo.com/word/tréigthe/

The link was broken there -
http://www.forvo.com/word/tr%C3%A9igthe/

Sounds ok to me. :yes:

Only Rossaí can comment on Cork

There are so few speakers of Cork Irish anyhow.

Breandán · **Posted:** Sat 26 May 2012 12:37 am

Bríd Mhór wrote:

Breandán wrote:

In Connemara, I think it would be:

tréigthe /t´r´e:k´ə/ chi-RHEH-kih

The g is devoiced to k by the th.

The r is the slender r which is somewhat buzzier than the broad r.

The final syllable may be heard as ih or hih, as th is either silent or pronounced like an h.

Here's a sound file:

http://www.forvo.com/word/tréigthe/

The link was broken there -
http://www.forvo.com/word/tr%C3%A9igthe/

Sounds ok to me. :yes:

Only Rossaí can comment on Cork

There are so few speakers of Cork Irish anyhow.

Thanks for fixing the link - I forgot to check it. :wave:

And don't be shy about putting your own up there too. The more the merrier.

Bríd Mhór · **Joined:** Sun 28 Aug 2011 8:29 pm **Posts:** 2994

I'm happy with yours :yes:

Lughaidh · **Joined:** Thu 15 Sep 2011 12:06 pm **Posts:** 2436

Quote:

tréigthe /t´r´e:k´ə/ chi-RHEH-kih

ey, in Connemara they don't pronounce slender t as English ch's, that's rather parts of Donegal and of Aran... (btw that's not the way you pronounce it in your recording)

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