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PostPosted: Fri 26 Jul 2024 6:16 pm 
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Dia daoibh!

I picked up a book in Gaillimh that I want to read to my nephew. I was wondering if anyone would be willing to check my pronunciation and give honest input into it? I'm only a beginner so this book is about at my level anyway... lol! I recorded it and it can be heard here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NBcuno ... sp=sharing
The audio is 1 minute 30 seconds.

GRMA!


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PostPosted: Fri 26 Jul 2024 7:27 pm 
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mitchellómainnín wrote:
Dia daoibh!

I picked up a book in Gaillimh that I want to read to my nephew. I was wondering if anyone would be willing to check my pronunciation and give honest input into it? I'm only a beginner so this book is about at my level anyway... lol! I recorded it and it can be heard here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NBcuno ... sp=sharing
The audio is 1 minute 30 seconds.

GRMA!

Well, I think Labhrás and others will give you good info on Galway Irish.
As far as I noticed. "an bhfuil" is pronounced "a' bhfuil" - there should be no audible n there.
There are many other points that could be made, but the most noticeable one for me is the constant "hard attack". Hard attack is wrong in Irish and in English.
What is hard attack? it is starting each word beginning with a vowel with a new glottal stop (see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFZZI7HCp2M&t=7s for the explanation by the English linguist Geoff Lindsey - he argues hard attack is creeping into English and gives many examples).
In German, hard attack is standard. "Um elf Uhr" is pronounced /ʔʊm ʔɛlf ʔu(ː)ɐ̯/, with a glottal stop at the start of each word. This gives German its typical staccato-style pronunciation.
This is not correct in Irish. "An bhfuil áthas ar...." should have no hiatus or glottal stop at the start of áthas and ar.

Ní raibh aon úll eile aici - you shouldn't pronunced this Ní raibh ʔaon ʔúll ʔeile ʔaici. [This is just my made-up example sentence). It should be said in one breath: ní rev aon úll eil aici. No gaps, no hiatuses, no glottal stops.


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PostPosted: Fri 26 Jul 2024 8:01 pm 
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djwebb2021 wrote:
mitchellómainnín wrote:
Dia daoibh!

I picked up a book in Gaillimh that I want to read to my nephew. I was wondering if anyone would be willing to check my pronunciation and give honest input into it? I'm only a beginner so this book is about at my level anyway... lol! I recorded it and it can be heard here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NBcuno ... sp=sharing
The audio is 1 minute 30 seconds.

GRMA!

Well, I think Labhrás and others will give you good info on Galway Irish.
As far as I noticed. "an bhfuil" is pronounced "a' bhfuil" - there should be no audible n there.
There are many other points that could be made, but the most noticeable one for me is the constant "hard attack". Hard attack is wrong in Irish and in English.
What is hard attack? it is starting each word beginning with a vowel with a new glottal stop (see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFZZI7HCp2M&t=7s for the explanation by the English linguist Geoff Lindsey - he argues hard attack is creeping into English and gives many examples).
In German, hard attack is standard. "Um elf Uhr" is pronounced /ʔʊm ʔɛlf ʔu(ː)ɐ̯/, with a glottal stop at the start of each word. This gives German its typical staccato-style pronunciation.
This is not correct in Irish. "An bhfuil áthas ar...." should have no hiatus or glottal stop at the start of áthas and ar.

Ní raibh aon úll eile aici - you shouldn't pronunced this Ní raibh ʔaon ʔúll ʔeile ʔaici. [This is just my made-up example sentence). It should be said in one breath: ní rev aon úll eil aici. No gaps, no hiatuses, no glottal stops.


Thank you so much for this feedback! I definitely see what you mean with the hard attack. I think it ultimately stems from my lack of confidence that I am going to pronounce the following word correctly, which makes it sound choppy overall. I will work on that and watch the video. GRMA!!


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PostPosted: Sat 27 Jul 2024 12:06 pm 
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The same goes for: A Eóin! This is not pronounced /ʔə ʔo:nʲ/. (ʔ is the symbol for a glottal stop). It is pronounced /ʔo:nʲ/, as the first vowel gets swallowed up by the long o, and so is no longer heard.

Rud a bhí tosnaithe acu: this is not /tosnihi ʔə'ku/. It is /tosni hə'ku/.

If you hear hard attack - that is a sign of non-native Irish.


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PostPosted: Sat 27 Jul 2024 1:51 pm 
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djwebb2021 wrote:
mitchellómainnín wrote:
Dia daoibh!

I picked up a book in Gaillimh that I want to read to my nephew. I was wondering if anyone would be willing to check my pronunciation and give honest input into it? I'm only a beginner so this book is about at my level anyway... lol! I recorded it and it can be heard here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NBcuno ... sp=sharing
The audio is 1 minute 30 seconds. https://eldfall-chronicles.com/

GRMA!

Well, I think Labhrás and others will give you good info on Galway Irish.
As far as I noticed. "an bhfuil" is pronounced "a' bhfuil" - there should be no audible n there.
There are many other points that could be made, but the most noticeable one for me is the constant "hard attack". Hard attack is wrong in Irish and in English. https://www.viberate.com/
What is hard attack? it is starting each word beginning with a vowel with a new glottal stop (see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFZZI7HCp2M&t=7s for the explanation by the English linguist Geoff Lindsey - he argues hard attack is creeping into English and gives many examples).
In German, hard attack is standard. "Um elf Uhr" is pronounced /ʔʊm ʔɛlf ʔu(ː)ɐ̯/, with a glottal stop at the start of each word. This gives German its typical staccato-style pronunciation.
This is not correct in Irish. "An bhfuil áthas ar...." should have no hiatus or glottal stop at the start of áthas and ar.

Ní raibh aon úll eile aici - you shouldn't pronunced this Ní raibh ʔaon ʔúll ʔeile ʔaici. [This is just my made-up example sentence). It should be said in one breath: ní rev aon úll eil aici. No gaps, no hiatuses, no glottal stops.
It provide you with a great insights indeed


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A Mhitchell, tá súil agam go mbeidh duine eile anso agus a ghlacfaidh páirt sa tsnáithe seo - níl mo dhóthain eólais ar Ghaelainn Chonamara chun níos mó a rá anso, ach bíonn fo-dhuine anso go bhfuil an t-eólas go léir a theastaíonn uait acu...


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